Green Atya from the Philippines (now with pix!)

Chaca · Post by **Chaca** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 1:49 pm

Anybody know anything about Green Atya from the Philippines? Or Mindanao "red dragon" Caridina? (Both about 1.5-2" and entirely freshwater, I gather.)

Post by **Mustafa** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 7:11 pm

Never heard about them except from you. The "green atya" could be just an Atyopsis species. Some Atyopsis regional variations have a faint greenish coloration. But to know for sure you would have to get them and post some pictures.

Take care,
Mustafa

antoinette · Post by **antoinette** » Tue Jun 07, 2005 12:13 pm

I saw those red dragonshrimps this week in a German webshop

http://www.interaquaristik.de/catalog/x ... cbeb27bf76

Probably Mustafa will be able to give a good translating, otherwise i'm willing to give it a go

I orderd here before and everything was ok but all the people who orderd after me had problems with sick shrimps or even dead shrimps on arrival

So i'm a bit worried to order here again.

Chaca · Post by **Chaca** » Tue Jun 07, 2005 12:38 pm

Dank je, Antoinette. Probably the same "Red Dragon", though my list says "Mindanao" and the German page says "Indonesia". I'll pass on the red dragons and try the green Atya this time. Will post pix in a week or two...

Post by **Mustafa** » Tue Jun 07, 2005 1:44 pm

Hi folks,

That website just says (short summary) that these shrimp are a novelty and look great with green plants in the backround. It further says that they are pretty easy to breed. I doubt that, however, since the shrimp looks like it has tiny eggs and if it occurs both in Indonesia and the Philippines, then chances are that it's larvae floated to one or the other place from some common origin at some point and hence need saltwater to survive. Most shrimp that are supposedly "easy" to breed (i.e. produce miniature versions of themselves in freshwater) have very restricted distributions.

In any case...I am looking forward to seeing the "green Atya" in a few weeks.

Take care,
Mustafa

antoinette · Post by **antoinette** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 1:52 am

Chaca wrote:Dank je, Antoinette. Probably the same "Red Dragon", though my list says "Mindanao" and the German page says "Indonesia". I'll pass on the red dragons and try the green Atya this time. Will post pix in a week or two...

Haha, nog een nederlander

They have those green ataya's too now: they call them green leave dwardfs but i bet those are the same.
http://www.interaquaristik.de/catalog/x ... 1118f0f43e

Post by **Mustafa** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 6:17 am

I don't think it's the same shrimp. The shrimp on the pic is not even an Atya (Filter Shrimp).

antoinette · Post by **antoinette** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 8:44 am

You are right, that's no ataya spec..

Chaca · Post by **Chaca** » Sun Jun 12, 2005 6:43 pm

15 of the "green Philippine Atya" arrived today. Quite expensive as far as these things go at $1/each. Size is about 1.5". All arrived in excellent shape, and were feeding within minutes of arrival.

Interesting behavior and quite pretty, even if I don't see much "green". Maybe they'll get greener once they settle in. These pix were taken as soon as I put them into the tank.

IndianaSam · Post by **IndianaSam** » Sun Jun 12, 2005 6:56 pm

Those are some beautiful shrimp!

Where do you live? $1 each seems pretty darn cheap to me.

Jackie · Post by **Jackie** » Mon Jun 13, 2005 5:19 am

Oh I envy you... beautiful, beautiful shrimp...

chlorophyll · Post by **chlorophyll** » Mon Jun 13, 2005 12:10 pm

Looks quite similar to Atyoida bisulcata, native to Hawai'i.
However I can't say for sure whether or not it's been introduced/spread elsewhere in the Pacific, or if this Philipines shrimp is just very closely related.

Chaca · Post by **Chaca** » Mon Jun 13, 2005 3:06 pm

I'm pretty sure it's Atyoida pilipes Newport, 1847.

See the following links...

http://endemia.org/faune/fiche.php?code ... 464ce5e900

This link notes that the larvae are found in brackish water, so I guess I'm not going to be spawning these shrimp any time soon.

http://www.interaquaristik.de/catalog/x ... da_pilipes

http://biomar.free.fr/atyoida_pilipes.html

http://decapoda.free.fr/fiche.php?sp=93

Seems like it has a very wide distribution throughout the Pacific islands.

Veneer · Post by **Veneer** » Mon Jun 13, 2005 3:18 pm

Crusta10 indeed has these pegged as 'Atyoida pilipes aus Indonesien'.

chlorophyll · Post by **chlorophyll** » Tue Jun 14, 2005 2:58 am

Very cool. Look slike very close cousins. Perhaps A. bisulcata originated from some odd A. philipes larvae that somehow found their way to the very isolated Hawaiian islands a very very long time ago.

All the pics of the Philippine atyoid look like females. Do all your individuals really have that deep bodied pregnant appearance to them?