Possible, but I can't imagine that they would breed for long at temperatures approaching and exceeding 86 degrees. In their natural habitats in southern china it can get pretty cold and the water in the mountain streams does not usually get that hot. Around 23-25 degrees Celsius seems to be perfect for pretty much all species I am keeping.Kenshin wrote:One question though: They are not as temperature tolerant (high temp of 82 - 84 F) as the RCS? (I read it in your varieties page, but I have heard some people have kept/bred some sort of bee shrimps even at 82 - 84F. Is that true?
Interbreed? (Part 2)
Moderator: Mustafa
Well, I received my shipment of bumblebee shrimps today. Most of them seem to look healthy 
(with some deaths of course 
- seller did give me extras). Some of them have a tinted blue on their body (seems like it is still stressed - "from GunMetal Blue previous post/experiences"). I requested the seller to send me juvenile shrimps like I have learned from Mustafa (seller did try to give me mostly juvenile shrimps with extra adults on the side). It seems like the dead shrimps are mostly adults (3 adults compare to 1 juvenile). They seem to enjoy my tank right away (of course after acclimation), going after algae right away. Hopefully, they will not cross with the crystal red shrimps 
. I will update more in the near future, and hopefully take some pictures to post it in this forum.
Thank you.
(with some deaths of course - seller did give me extras). Some of them have a tinted blue on their body (seems like it is still stressed - "from GunMetal Blue previous post/experiences"). I requested the seller to send me juvenile shrimps like I have learned from Mustafa (seller did try to give me mostly juvenile shrimps with extra adults on the side). It seems like the dead shrimps are mostly adults (3 adults compare to 1 juvenile). They seem to enjoy my tank right away (of course after acclimation), going after algae right away. Hopefully, they will not cross with the crystal red shrimps . I will update more in the near future, and hopefully take some pictures to post it in this forum. Thank you.
i have heard of tiger shrimps crossing with CRS, and i have also heard of my friends bumblebees crossing with his CRS, the fact that the tigers and CRS can cross breed doesnt surprise me since they were both derived from the bee shrimp. now with that said..the bumblebee shrimp is EXTREMELY related to the CRS and BEE shrimp, just look at there patterns and its not just that, its there whole breeding system.
ok now take a look at the NEW bees, they are alot more related to the Bumblebee shrimps then the BEE or CRS but yet they cross with the BEE and CRS just like they were there own kind. which isnt true.
hope this kind of helps
ok now take a look at the NEW bees, they are alot more related to the Bumblebee shrimps then the BEE or CRS but yet they cross with the BEE and CRS just like they were there own kind. which isnt true.
hope this kind of helps
--That's simply not true. The Crystal Red Shrimp is a red color variety of the Bee Shrimp, but the Tiger shrimp is just a closely related species. Tiger and Bee Shrimp do crossbreed (and I can take some pictures of a hybrid that I still have) but they are not the same. Tiger shrimp are still caught in the wild and imported en masse to the US Europe and other parts of asia. You don't see that with a bred variety like the crystal reds.imisky wrote:the fact that the tigers and CRS can cross breed doesnt surprise me since they were both derived from the bee shrimp.
now with that said..the bumblebee shrimp is EXTREMELY related to the CRS and BEE shrimp, just look at there patterns and its not just that, its there whole breeding system.
--how would you know that they are "extremely" related? Just looking at shape, propagation method and color will not necessarily tell you much. I can show you shrimp from the caribbean and asia that look extremely similar but are not related at all. having said that I have not excluded the possibility that bumblebees and bees/crystal reds can crossbreed. I just have not seen any reliable proof. "i have heard that friend did it" is not reliable proof.
ok now take a look at the NEW bees, they are alot more related to the Bumblebee shrimps then the BEE or CRS but yet they cross with the BEE and CRS just like they were there own kind.
--first of all, nobody calls the bumblebees with the white heads "new bee" here, which is a totally misleading name since these shrimp are bumblebees and second, as I said, above, where is the proof (i.e. pictures of parents and pictures of offspring and the description of the setup)?
We all have to be really careful about taking hearsay as facts. Let's try to proceed as scientifically as is possible as hobbyists.
To be honest with you, I still do not understand how people manage to kill shrimp during shipping. I have not had a single shrimp die and I have sent thousands. And then there are people who just put in "extras" all the time because they just assume that their animals will die. It really does not take much more effort to make sure that you ship healthy animals in the proper way so they arrive healthy and alive even if they are in transit for a week! In any case...I would have still not put the bumblebees together with the crystal reds since the vote is still out on their crossbreeding, however remote that may be. but if you do get some crosses let me know so I can update my species database at some point when enough reliable reports of crosses come in.Kenshin wrote:Well, I received my shipment of bumblebee shrimps today. Most of them seem to look healthy
Thank you.
Oh yeah...and do post some pictures of your new bumblebees.
mustafa when have i said....bumblebees with WHITE HEADS are new bees 
... i said there are new bees they not the same shrimp...nor are they derived from the same shrimp..for your knowing CRS is actually bred out from the bee shrimp in japan. its a stable genetic mutation that only happens 1/10000 shrimps. then people took that and bred it to only produce the red color instead of the black. i currently keep CRS myself and i have to say they are really some creature. there has been facts about Bumblebee and CRS breeding in Taiwan, Singapore, and Japan and i would like to prove that they can cross, but i dont go enough tanks in my house to keep high grade CRS and low grade CRS, and have a tank for bee and bumblebee and one for crossing.. i personally think its too much work. but would like to give it a shot. so i leave it to my friends that has the space and money lol.
i know it seems unlikely that they will crossbreed. and more people say they dont rather to they do but some has happened.
sometimes people in singapore even say you can improve the grade of your CRS more if you crossed it with a NEW BEE rather then to the old bee shrimps.
its just my 2cent
... i said there are new bees they not the same shrimp...nor are they derived from the same shrimp..for your knowing CRS is actually bred out from the bee shrimp in japan. its a stable genetic mutation that only happens 1/10000 shrimps. then people took that and bred it to only produce the red color instead of the black. i currently keep CRS myself and i have to say they are really some creature. there has been facts about Bumblebee and CRS breeding in Taiwan, Singapore, and Japan and i would like to prove that they can cross, but i dont go enough tanks in my house to keep high grade CRS and low grade CRS, and have a tank for bee and bumblebee and one for crossing.. i personally think its too much work. but would like to give it a shot. so i leave it to my friends that has the space and money lol. i know it seems unlikely that they will crossbreed. and more people say they dont rather to they do but some has happened.
sometimes people in singapore even say you can improve the grade of your CRS more if you crossed it with a NEW BEE rather then to the old bee shrimps.
its just my 2cent
Alright everyone, I am going to settle this debate once and for all.
Let me tell you what I have done so far for my bumblebee shrimps. I have placed the adult form of bumblebee shrimps in a Nano-cube tank already (along with some crossed Neocaridina sp - bought from Mustafa). If they do breed (or not die slowly), then I guess I will have a pure form of bumbebee shrimps. The rest of the young bumblebee shrimps are still in my 20G tank along with CRS, RCS, and some sort of green shrimps. Therefore, now I decided to take a chance to see whether the CRS and bumblebee shrimps will interbreed or not and find out what the offspring will be. If they do interbreed, I will like to find out whether the F1 offspring (and what they look like) will produce F2 offspring (and if they would look like the F1 parents). I guess I do not mind a little sacrficie on my CRS (even though so expensive). If outcome from all these sucks, then I will just get rid of all the bumblee shrimps (parents, F1, F2, and etc.) along with the CRS and start all over again with just the CRS or bumblebee shrimps only (of course whatever the shrimps will be, they will still be with the RCS and green shrimps).
P.S. Another 2 adult bumblebee shrimps died today.
Meanwhile, the younger bumblebee shrimps are doing just fine.
Let me tell you what I have done so far for my bumblebee shrimps. I have placed the adult form of bumblebee shrimps in a Nano-cube tank already (along with some crossed Neocaridina sp - bought from Mustafa). If they do breed (or not die slowly), then I guess I will have a pure form of bumbebee shrimps. The rest of the young bumblebee shrimps are still in my 20G tank along with CRS, RCS, and some sort of green shrimps. Therefore, now I decided to take a chance to see whether the CRS and bumblebee shrimps will interbreed or not and find out what the offspring will be. If they do interbreed, I will like to find out whether the F1 offspring (and what they look like) will produce F2 offspring (and if they would look like the F1 parents). I guess
I do not mind a little sacrficie on my CRS (even though so expensive). If outcome from all these sucks, then I will just get rid of all the bumblee shrimps (parents, F1, F2, and etc.) along with the CRS and start all over again with just the CRS or bumblebee shrimps only (of course whatever the shrimps will be, they will still be with the RCS and green shrimps).P.S. Another 2 adult bumblebee shrimps died today.
Meanwhile, the younger bumblebee shrimps are doing just fine.Sorry to hear that. I have a creeping suspicion that those bumblebees were wild-caught. Of course I can't really be sure. You do see some very young animals among wild-caught imports every now and then, too.Kenshin wrote: P.S. Another 2 adult bumblebee shrimps died today.